Guest on AI with Sach

Og Ramos

Engineer, data consultant and tech tinkerer

Episode with Og

Og Ramos speaking on AI with Sach, episode 31Episode 31 · June 2025The Real Difference Between Data, ML, and AI EngineersOg Ramos explains what data, ML and AI engineers actually do, why roles are blurring, and why curiosity and fundamentals matter more than any tool.Og RamosEngineer, data consultant and tech tinkerer

In Og’s words

Prompt engineering won't be a job. It will be like knowing how to Google.

Everybody's going to be a prompt engineer in the future. Like, I don't think it's a role. I think everybody should be a prompt engineer. Right. Because it's kind of like learning how to Google, right. It's the new learning how to Google.
Og Ramos
Og argues that prompting is a universal skill rather than a job title.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 31 · Jun 2025 · at 17:37

AI knows the language. It still doesn't know how to think like a programmer.

Coding is not just learning how to use a programming language and putting like writing, writing it out. And that's what the AI is doing. It knows the language and it writes it out. The important piece here is knowing the patterns, knowing best practices, knowing how things work, knowing how to create architectures, knowing how to create patterns in those architectures and having that way of thinking.
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Asked whether people should still learn to code when CEOs say AI writes much of the code, Og separates writing code from knowing how to solve problems.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 31 · Jun 2025 · at 33:59

Knowing how to code and knowing how to program are two different things.

Programmer is not the language. A programmer is not the code. And if that is the programmer, that is in my opinion, okay, is not somebody that knows how to program. They know how to code, which is different, right?
Og Ramos
Og explains the difference between knowing how to code and knowing how to program.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 31 · Jun 2025 · at 34:28

Starting with AI? Hire the plumbers before the roofers.

You just answered the question. Who do you need? Data engineer, right? Because you're building the foundation. That's what you bring the plumbers in first to do the base of the house, right? You don't bring the roofers, which are the data scientists and the ML folks, right?
Og Ramos
Asked who a company just starting with AI should hire first when its data is messy.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 31 · Jun 2025 · at 37:11

Your future AI assistant is a guild apprentice that you review.

back in the day when we had guilds and you had like apprentice, it's kind of the same thing. Your apprentice is helping you out to do the tasks that maybe you don't want to put too much time or you're not in this mind space to do that, but they could do it and you just review it as the person that knows what they're doing.
Og Ramos
Og describes a personal LLM trained on your own notes and expertise as a digital apprentice.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 31 · Jun 2025 · at 25:40

The flood of AI apps looks a lot like Atari's E.T. moment.

Just look at the video game industry, man. Like, no, seriously. Like if you look at how it corrects itself, I don't know how much you know about video game history, but Atari went through something like this. They were just creating games that were like the, the whole like Atari ET game.
Og Ramos
Asked how people will sort through a market flooded with AI products, Og compares it to the Atari era.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 31 · Jun 2025 · at 26:32

Even as an employee, you are a business of one.

You are a business always like, especially in our system, right? You, you, when you go to, as an employee, you are a business, you have a contract between a company and yourself. At the end of the day, you are operating as a business.
Og Ramos
Og responds to whether AI turns individuals into businesses and why personal brand matters.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 31 · Jun 2025 · at 28:45

Trust in AI shouldn't be blind. It needs consequences for bad actors.

I do not believe in blind trust, but that's just me. I don't think we should just take things for granted. Or if somebody tells you something is just because they say it is, I always am very critical of that.
Og Ramos
Og discusses trust in the AI age and why he thinks regulation and consequences have to come first.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 31 · Jun 2025 · at 32:35

Most people can't answer this one SQL interview question, and it matters more than syntax.

the interview question where I ask, do you know how a SQL clause is executed? And not a lot of people know how to answer that question. They think the machine just reads from the select all the way down, and that's not how it reads it. It goes to, it kind of hops around because it's trying to give you the smallest data set the fastest way possible, right?
Og Ramos
Og gives his interview question as an example of fundamentals that AI does not replace.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 31 · Jun 2025 · at 34:48

Putting a dashboard or an AI on bad data is just makeup on garbage.

everybody was like, well, we just get Tableau or we just do Power BI or Click or whatever. And it's going to work. I'm like, no, all you're doing is grabbing garbage. And they're like, yeah, yeah, garbage in, garbage out. I'm like, no, buddy, you're going from garbage in to garbage. You know, and it's, you know, you're just slapping makeup on top of it. And it's still bad data, right?
Og Ramos
Og recalls the dashboarding era to explain why data foundations still matter for AI.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 31 · Jun 2025 · at 39:00

When the person who knew everything leaves, an LLM can keep what they knew.

You don't have to go and talk to so-and-so in this department and then go to somewhere else because that, oh, then that person left. You know, all of that should be centralized. Tribal knowledge, operational knowledge, all of that information fed into an LLM.
Og Ramos
Og says companies should treat internal data and knowledge as an asset and feed it to an LLM.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 31 · Jun 2025 · at 41:18

After the lakehouse, the next shift is leaving the search bar.

I think it's more of a, we're moving away from the search bar. That's what, the way I see it. Not from, from those patterns, more from the search bar. Instead of going to Google, I go more into an LLM to ask, right?
Og Ramos
Asked whether an LLM house will follow the data warehouse, lake and lakehouse, Og says the shift is away from the search bar.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 31 · Jun 2025 · at 42:14

Data engineers and data scientists use the same hammer to build different things.

i'm trying to find like an analogy so carpenter and a builder they both use a hammer but they're doing a chair the other one's building a house
Og Ramos
Og explains how data engineers and data scientists use the same tools, like Databricks, for different work.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 31 · Jun 2025 · at 5:28

Data engineer is not just someone dragging boxes around.

people just spin up and say whatever they want oh yeah that person's a data engineer and all they're doing is i don't know like drag and dropping some boxes and and that's it and etl well you know it's a little bit more complex than that right
Og Ramos
Og explains why AI and data job titles are blurry, noting how loosely the data engineer title has been used over the last seven years.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 31 · Jun 2025 · at 8:38