Guest on AI with Sach

Nabil Beitinjaneh

Faculty Lecturer and Academic Program Coordinator, McGill University School of Continuing Studies

Episode with Nabil

Nabil Beitinjaneh speaking on AI with Sach, episode 10Episode 10 · September 2024Will AI Make Universities Complacent? - Nabil BeitinjanehA McGill educator explains how AI changes learning, which skills matter, and why job displacement and weak regulation need collective answers.Nabil BeitinjanehFaculty Lecturer and Academic Program Coordinator, McGill University School of Continuing Studies

In Nabil’s words

AI gives students an illusion of learning. How do teachers tell what they actually know?

Well, people get this illusion of learning. You think you know a lot more than you really do. And this is one of the biggest challenges, I would say, that these AIs bring to the table or these systems bring to the table because suddenly you're dealing with text that might be generated by an AI or solutions that are generated or assisted by the AI.
Nabil Beitinjaneh
He explains how AI-generated text and solutions make it hard to know what a student really knows.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 10 · Sep 2024 · at 6:30

Learning is supposed to be painful. What happens when AI removes the pain?

Learning is actually challenging and at times it's even painful, but that's how you learn. You have to solve a problem, you have to fail solving a problem, you have to get a case which you do not know how to solve and then you're going like, why?
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Nabil warns that personalized AI tutoring could remove the struggle that real learning requires.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 10 · Sep 2024 · at 10:38

You can already get hired without ever meeting a human.

somebody might decide to apply to a company uh get interviewed uh go in for tests even physical tests or whatever walk in and out of the company get a job offer and never meet a human in their life it's all done automatically this is not uh the the far future this is today some companies do that
Nabil Beitinjaneh
He describes a dystopian but existing hiring process with no human contact.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 10 · Sep 2024 · at 28:08

Outsourcing taught us this: automate the junior work and you cut the path to senior roles.

they would say but if i don't have a path to learn by coding how do i become a team lead and how or an effective team lead and then from there how do i become an architect or you know either path i don't have that path anymore you actually just killed it for me by outsourcing the work
Nabil Beitinjaneh
He recalls junior developers objecting when basic coding was outsourced, and compares it with AI today.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 10 · Sep 2024 · at 30:13

Ethics on its own does not have teeth. Regulation does.

a lot of discussions around ethics are amazing but ethics on its own does not have teeth the only time you have teeth is through regulation people started worrying about gdpr because there was a financial impact on the companies if they did not follow the gdpr
Nabil Beitinjaneh
Asked about the government's role, he argues that ethics needs regulation behind it to change company behavior.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 10 · Sep 2024 · at 45:15

Nobody has a vision of what education looks like after AI. The only way to find out is to try.

nobody has yet a vision of what the future of education would be. Like, there's all these ideas. And the only way that we will know what the right answer is, is through experimentation.
Nabil Beitinjaneh
Asked whether universities will go back to paper or adopt personal AI tutors, he says nobody knows yet.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 10 · Sep 2024 · at 12:37

An AI grading work written by an AI teaches nobody anything.

i don't want uh you know an ai correcting an ai doesn't doesn't add any value not for the student and not for for me either like if you want to push to the limit and say you know you know the assessments are done or corrected via the ai well what does the student learn from this
Nabil Beitinjaneh
He describes letting students use ChatGPT in his courses while refusing to grade AI output with another AI.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 10 · Sep 2024 · at 15:02

If AI displaces the jobs, who pays the taxes that fund a basic income?

so who's paying the taxes if you're displacing all the jobs let's just take the extreme case where does the government make the money from are we going to tax the robots whatever that means that doesn't mean anything to me and doesn't and it's virtually impossible
Nabil Beitinjaneh
Asked about universal basic income, he questions who would fund it if AI removes many jobs.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 10 · Sep 2024 · at 34:10

The Luddites were not against technology. They lost their livelihoods and then their right to protest.

you ended up displacing all these people and it destroyed society too because what ended up happening is industrialization created these factories which was artificial you know people in the older days you know when it came to uh the work in textile they would do it at home
Nabil Beitinjaneh
Drawing on the book Blood in the Machine, he retells how textile mechanization displaced craftspeople and the Luddites.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 10 · Sep 2024 · at 39:47

Everyone talks about AI. Almost nobody reads the bills that will regulate it.

so in a way we do have also a failure at a society level because everybody keeps talking about ai ai ai and nobody really has time to think about what the impacts are and how they will be impacted by it in the future
Nabil Beitinjaneh
After noting that governments publish draft bills for public comment that almost nobody reads, he names a societal failure.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 10 · Sep 2024 · at 46:47

Sometimes you no longer know who is making the decision. That worries me most.

this is something that i always worry about which is what i call autonomy and human agency so who's making a decision and sometimes you don't even know who's making the decision anymore and if you ask an ai to do something for you are you learning or are you understanding
Nabil Beitinjaneh
Among the ethical risks, he singles out loss of autonomy and human agency.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 10 · Sep 2024 · at 52:29

Half of job descriptions list skills applicants don't have. Firing and rehiring won't fix that.

i was reading something from mckinsey recently they were saying that 50 percent of the um what i call the job descriptions that are out there have skills that people job applicants don't have
Nabil Beitinjaneh
He argues that firing and rehiring cannot fix the AI skills gap, so companies must train their own people.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 10 · Sep 2024 · at 57:24

When a chatbot gives wrong information, who is responsible: the developer or the company?

we had an issue recently with air canada where what are the chat bots gave wrong information who do you blame is it the developer of the chat bot is it air canada is it this that is the way it was done
Nabil Beitinjaneh
He uses the Air Canada chatbot case to show that responsibility for AI mistakes is unclear inside companies.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 10 · Sep 2024 · at 1:01:04

We worried about Bitcoin's electricity use. Why is AI's energy cost barely discussed?

when Bitcoin came out, there was all these companies that are trying to set up, you know, using up all this electricity. Now, with AI, we have the same problem, but we don't talk about it.
Nabil Beitinjaneh
In his closing remarks he raises the energy cost of training AI models.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 10 · Sep 2024 · at 1:04:00