Guest on AI with Sach

Alain Filotto

Digital Evidence Specialist, Alphafox Forensics; retired RCMP member and former Chief Operations Officer, TCS Forensics

Episode with Alain

Alain Filotto speaking on AI with Sach, episode 13Episode 13 · October 2024AI and Cybercrime: The New Frontier in Digital ForensicsA retired RCMP digital forensics expert explains how AI changes fraud, policing and evidence, and why everyone should question what they see online.Alain FilottoDigital Evidence Specialist, Alphafox Forensics; retired RCMP member and former Chief Operations Officer, TCS Forensics

In Alain’s words

Cybercrime sounds high-tech. A retired Mountie says it is mostly old fraud, just faster.

cybercrime really for the most part it's it's mostly frauds it's you know they're mostly the same crimes that people are doing and it's easier to make them and faster and you can reach a bigger audience with the with the cybercrime
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Alain, a retired RCMP officer, says cybercrime sounds fancy but is mostly old fraud at a larger scale.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 13 · Oct 2024 · at 3:20

Scammers pay Google to rank above your bank. Google keeps the money.

like let's say you search a national bank or you know you want to contact them and then some criminal has put up an ad on google so that they show up first so now you're getting scammed and google is make money because because they they're getting advertisement like i think that's i don't know that's wrong
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Alain argues that platforms profit from scam ads that impersonate banks in search results.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 13 · Oct 2024 · at 12:19

Every time you ask AI to spot a fake, you may be teaching it to make a better one.

if you're asking ai to find out if something is real or fake you're also teaching ai how to make better fakes because it's a it's a network it's a neural link if you will like basically all the ais if you say something to chat gpt you're not saying it to one person you're saying it to everybody right
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Alain explains the catch in using AI to detect AI-generated video and audio in forensic work.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 13 · Oct 2024 · at 23:59

A veteran fraud investigator never clicks links on his phone. Here is what he does instead.

personally i don't even click links on the phone i don't like it like if i if i get any transfer or something send it to my email because then on a monitor on a browser with a computer monitor you can see more you know where this email is coming from
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Alain shares his personal habit for handling suspicious links.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 13 · Oct 2024 · at 33:43

Some companies send fake phishing emails to their own staff. Fall for one and you get extra training.

i've heard actually from somebody that i know who uh his company would send out these phishing emails but they're fake they're fake phishing email and they want to see who who is falling for it and if somebody falls for it then they they would get some extra uh some training some uh some extra courses right
Alain Filotto
Discussing whether companies or employees are responsible when someone falls for a phishing email.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 13 · Oct 2024 · at 10:23

Two thousand cameras, one hundred humans watching. That is why police want AI on the footage.

you may have like i'm just making up numbers here but let's say you have 2 000 cameras but you may only have 100 people that can monitor these cameras so you know you can have ai uh look at the footage and and do some determinations uh ai is very good at that you know if you have a suitcase with nobody around it ai can pick it up
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On the ethics of AI surveillance, Alain uses the Paris Olympics to show why police want AI to watch cameras.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 13 · Oct 2024 · at 14:06

Getting a phone call through Interpol can take six months. Alain's task force skipped that.

i could call somebody in the us and ask for assistance there right away i don't have to go through uh ottawa and then go through uh interpol and then because that will take six months just to get a phone call
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Alain describes how a virtual global task force sped up cross-border child exploitation cases.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 13 · Oct 2024 · at 20:32

Criminals are running old versions of ChatGPT because the new ones block too much.

what they do is they'll take like an older version of chat gpt let's say to to do some crime because chat gpt is like any software it gets patched you know it gets it's good block and they block stuff right
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Alain describes how criminals avoid the safety filters of current AI models.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 13 · Oct 2024 · at 27:21

Banning open source AI won't work: the code leaks, gets stolen, or AI writes its own.

i don't think you can block um open source code to it's gonna either leaked out or you know somebody's gonna steal it like it's gonna be out there anyway at some point and you know a or ai can also create its own ai you know so i think it's like uh the old saying you know you can't put the genie back in the bottle
Alain Filotto
Asked whether open source AI should be legal, Alain says blocking it is unrealistic.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 13 · Oct 2024 · at 30:14

No AI company will slow down while a rival country is building something better.

it's a competitive world like that's the world we whether you agree with it or not it's all about money and a company like chad gpt you know they want to make money and they're not going to limit their capabilities if uh russia or china is going to make an ai that's going to be better than theirs
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Alain explains why he doesn't expect AI companies to limit their own systems.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 13 · Oct 2024 · at 30:52

Police are trained to be suspicious. Alain says the rest of us need a bit of that too.

people are very trusting by nature me as a police officer it's the other way around i'm always been suspicious and i question everything people need to develop a little bit of that skills sir
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Alain says everyday people should borrow the skepticism police officers develop.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 13 · Oct 2024 · at 34:51

A forensics expert almost fell for a viral photo. His rule now: question everything.

i did some searching and i never saw really any website or any news that said like this is a real picture so unfortunately it's you know question everything like don't don't be quick to react don't be quick to judge and uh always just double check your facts
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Alain's closing advice after he nearly believed a viral image of a politician.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 13 · Oct 2024 · at 37:18

If NASA can hire SpaceX, police can hire private forensic labs, says a retired RCMP expert.

the example i like to use is nasa uh they're working with spacex to to go to the moon and i think uh you know spacex is going to go and uh get those uh astronauts from the the boeing and they're stranded on the international space station there so i think you know why not uh if nasa can work with spacex then uh you know police can work with private sector
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Alain argues that police should work with private forensic firms because of lab backlogs.
Said on AI with Sach · Ep. 13 · Oct 2024 · at 18:12